Government Threatens Retired Engineer With a Crime for Doing Math

Joylandi 10-Iyn, 2021
Wayne Nutt is an engineer. He graduated with a degree in engineering from the University of Iowa in 1967, and he promptly went to work as an engineer. He spent most of his time working in North Carolina, mostly for DuPont, using his expertise to do things like designing piping systems and helping with international technology licensing. Since his retirement in 2013, Wayne has not done any engineering-he hasn’t designed or built things-but he is still an engineer at heart, and so he talks about engineering a lot: When he spots math errors in public documents, he speaks up. When he thinks people are mischaracterizing engineering reports, he speaks out. And when he can answer a question that he thinks is important, he answers it.

ij.org/press-release/north-ca...

And that is what has gotten him into trouble. Wayne never needed a license to work as an engineer. Because he worked for big manufacturers for his whole career, everything Wayne did (like everything most engineers do) fell under North Carolina’s “industrial exemption” and did not require a license. But according to the North Carolina Board of Examiners for Engineers and Surveyors, talking about the sort of work Wayne did does require a license.

Wayne’s trouble started when he volunteered to testify as an expert witness in a case his son, an attorney, was litigating. The case involved a piping system in a housing development that allegedly caused flooding in nearby areas, and Wayne, who had designed plenty of pipes in his day, volunteered to testify about the volume of fluid that pipe could be expected to carry. Wayne still had a copy of the leading sourcebook on his bookshelf, and the analysis itself seemed pretty easy-at least for Wayne.

But it was also-according to the Board-illegal. After Wayne’s deposition in the case, where he truthfully testified that he was not (and never had been) a licensed engineer, someone complained to the Board that he was practicing engineering without a license, which is a criminal misdemeanor.

It might seem impossible to “practice” engineering by sitting in a conference room answering questions, but, shockingly, the Board seems to think Wayne crossed a line. The Board’s position is that offering any testimony that requires “engineering knowledge” is illegal without a license-even if someone truthfully discloses their credentials, and even if a judge wants to hear the testimony.

But that is wrong. In this country, we rely on people to decide who they want to listen to. We do not rely on government to decide who gets to speak. The Board’s position gets that important principle backwards. That is why Wayne has joined forces with the Institute for Justice to file a major First Amendment lawsuit against the Board, designed to vindicate the basic principle that the First Amendment protects our right to hear useful speech on difficult topics and that the Board cannot silence Wayne simply because his opinions are based on his knowledge of engineering.

Fikrlar

  • ij.org/press-release/north-carolina-board-tells-retired-engineer-he-cant-talk-about-engineering/

    • this is Nutts, him trying to do the right thing

    • Engineering is a registered profession. You can’t claim to be a doctor if you’re not licenced, you can’t claim to be a police officer if you don’t have a badge. That’s the same reason you can’t claim to be an engineer if you aren’t registered. The calculations and finding the problems with govt aren’t the problem, it’s the issue of claiming to be something that you’re not legally allowed to because peoples assets and lives are at stake. Relying on people who claim to be engineers when they’re not because you’ve removed the regulation would put peoples assets and lives at risk. Unless you want to live in a third world country where they’re not regulated, I guess if that’s you goal then good luck. But this guy has it good, because no one can sue him for bad advice if he got it wrong or killed someone, he’ll just claim it’s “his 1st amendment right to say what he wants”. No regulation = no responsibility.

    • @Hugh Mcdanel Professional People and Governments through licensing create Professional Societies in order to PROTECT PEOPLE. We can't have a wannabe engineer who knows very little of what people would need them to know going around acting as a fully qualified engineer. If this guy were to sign off on the plans to a Condominium Complex in Miami, FL, we might see it collapse 40 years later and try and trace back the original plans to see someone pretending to be a fully educated engineer signed off on them. See, these professionals have had their math checked, many times, IN SCHOOL! You don't seem to know a lot about being a professional. Maybe you're a wannabe philosopher. It's always the uneducated who see no value in education... We do the same things with Financial Advisors, Plumbers and a whole host of different professions through local and state licensing. We do it to ensure quality of service is to standard, so that they can be sued if not, and for safety reasons.

    • Good on ya

    • A good idea: Give us names

  • It might be fair enough to come after him if he were charging a Fee for Service, but an Expert Opinion shouldn’t be Prosecuted simply because a Licence is Absent.

  • "In this country, we rely on people to decide who they want to listen to." "We do not rely on government to decide who gets to speak." Now tell that to the Biden administration who wants to censor "anti-vax" "medical misinformation", and force Facebook and Twitter to ban medical professionals

  • Having a functioning brain has been a crime since the 1970s.

  • No you rely on courts cause you country is so fucked up it needs to self adjust every time threw the justice system even your elections are a shit show....

  • The only thing the board can get him for is signing/stamping documents as a registered professional engineer.

  • Thats bs why would he be charged if he is doing it probono. Take them to court a d squash them

  • Meh I've given up on America like so many have... Criminal suits, absolutely terrible for you food, spying, police shootings, terrible cars and most products, unscrupulous business behavior...

  • This man doesn't look a day over 50

  • This is analogous to a common man claiming to be an expert as much as a doctor , just cause he may posses some knowledge in biology.

  • Just exposed the overall, gross incopetency which reigns in government circles. Hang in there.

  • America is the most predatory group of companies pretending to be a coubtry.

  • welcome to the channel of slight ambiguities. injustice for justice, isnt that the wrong way around or just confusing? threatened with a crime, not rather a charge maybe? the engi isnt licensend, but hes an engineer. not licensed for what exactly and what official qualification does he have?

  • We do not address the issue. We address the person who raises the issue.

  • Licensed engineer means to pay us so we can allow you to be an engineer. Bs

  • If he were black, they would have charged him with a felony by now

  • He is 77? He looks 60.

  • Engineer's job doesn't end with the 9-5 hours We even work in our sleep. Lol license Engineers, No one needs a license to calculate Storm drains

  • My tax dollars are being put to very good use by the govt bureaucrats in prosecuting this man for such heinous crime. Tax me harder, dear govt!

  • American government suppressing free speech...and they complain about other countries and their lack of freedoms and rights...meh...

  • Government = organized crime. They aren't even pretending anymore.

  • The Biden government colluding with big tech have decided who gets to speak.

  • Great timing, especially since the condo in Florida unexplicably fell and killed over 120 people?

  • "practicing engineering without a license". Oy mate, you got a loicense for them maths?

  • Wow, this is just crazy!

  • Democracy is just a word..it depends on how do you deliver it to the people..

  • The board is totally right i investing him. There is so much taken out of context in this video is don't even know where to begin.

  • He is a chemical engineer, not a civil engineer. Just because you can do research, find a couple formulas, and do math doesn't make you an expert. His experience is irrelevant to storm drainage design. Having said that I don't dought he could have found a mistake by applying the math, but him being an engineer of a different discipline should have known better to know what the correct course of action is. In this case, i would have been to contact a licensed Civil engineer who specifically works in hydrology. Not doing that shows his lack of experience and ignorance of Civil Engineering.

  • So he was charged with a crime but no one involved in the flooding was? When are soldiers going to start honoring the domestic threat part of their oath

  • In bad company...No good deed goes unpunished

  • Your common sense approach as to who qualifies as an expert in any and all field is determined upon the factual knowledge, gained experience, ability to master information with clarity and share with expertise confidently. This is based on agreed consensus according with trustworthy reputable sources. It is not up too a government employee claiming stake of ownership pushing their agenda while legitimizingtheir 'convenient truth'. Wayne has proven his expertise by his integrity in helping taxpayers in flooded areas a d has identified the problem issuing burden of proof. Well done Wayne.

  • In this country we do not rely on government who gets to speak? We live in oligarchs where people can pretend they vote as democracy, but we vote for the people that are pre-selected by our elite. It takes couple million dollar to run for an office and somewhere 11-15 million to run for senate. Yo are either rich or you are "sponsored" by some mega corporations that in return you owe favors. Your 7 years old needs a license to sell lemonade to make certain he/she doesn't compete with Coca Cola or Pepsi and you need to be a mathematician to say 2+2=4 or a virologist to state obvious conclusions about a pandemic, facts that are in medical books but might oppose the directives of some government agencies. By the way if you were a virologist and opposed them they might suspended your medical license. Welcome to the USA of 2021.

  • And this is exactly why we are where we are. Our Govt is CORRUPT to the bone. It's not a left or right issue it's the whole bunch of them from the top to the bottom. Drain the swamp!

  • Wow, just wow. Less government, more freedom.

  • well... we already see this happening with Snowden. Righteous people does not survive in this world anymore.

  • Is it just me or does the narrator's accent sound phony?

  • Wayne is a good looking bastard

  • Licenses should not exist. It's tyranny.

  • As an unlicensed engineer I have to say this is a dumb cause. Imagine an court clerk walking around selling their services as an attorney. Or a person who went to med school but never took their boards practicing medicine. An engineering license is a professional license. He may know math, but he likely doesn’t have the experience / technical know how to assume the role of a civil engineer. If he was a chemical engineer it would be like asking an obgyn to do a hip replacement on you. Both are doctors, but they have very different specialties

  • Luke: "But I'm not a conservative!" Yoda: "You will be... You will be..."

  • Lol, I thought the title said "meth" until I clicked on it. I was like, dang, we're really getting liberal with the destigmatization...

  • narrator sounds like he's faking an accent. just my opinion.

  • Why Stupid People Rule The America ?,

  • Only America

  • Real Superman

  • america is a shithole

  • Send them a bill for your expertise and then tell them to go suck an egg

  • Well done. In fact, the self studied person is often more knowledgeable than a person with a PHD in one specific area. Many people have self studied far beyond their initial BCh. degree, so much of education is half truth as well.

  • WAIT! Did he say "77 years old?!?!?" Seriously? I might have thought 60, at most.

  • only in america is mathematics a crime

  • Liberal fascists will do what fascists have always done!

  • I can relate. Good for you mate, keep up the good work, fight the good fight. 👍

  • dictatorship disguised as democracy...funny world

  • Free speech is only a term. The court's, political leaders and business make sure this term does not give any protection to the community. If you want free speech, you will have to pay for it.

  • And people still think US have free speech...

  • will u do this math for me? "wayne nutt?"

  • The government is being lobbied to harass him

  • Take them to court !! Don’t let them get away with this

  • Let me guess he disagreed with the government and they want payback

  • This states former governor owns a third of duke energy. Duke energy only avoids monopoly charges by giving a single county an alternative. Winston Salem was two towns joined by Reynolds tobacco and Hanes cotton. Seven miles from where I sit in old Salem there's a recently discovered mass slave grave. Getting the picture?

  • Bing : Google : Did you mean "METH"?

  • 2 + 2 = 4 only if you are registered

  • Looks like we have 1,600 folks who don’t support free speech. Most democrats I’m sure.

  • When they screw up, you pay….when you screw up, you REALLY pay

  • Wow he looks good for his age

  • these engineering boards are used to silence those with different fact-based opinions and people that are licensed, in many fields, are afraid of speaking up because their livelihoods could be in jeopardy.

  • Salute

  • The learned and the scientists were declared heretics and burnt at the stake for telling the truth, how far have regressed back to that globally is very interesting ( sadly so )

  • Since when is any member of the public not allowed to study and challenge public reports? He isn't consulting or charging a fee, but is using his experience as a member of the public to address a serious matter that concerns other members of the public. Since when does having a licence to practice anything guarantee that the qualified person acts in the best interest of the people he/she serves? We know there are many walking around with all sorts of qualifications and license to practice doing a world of hurt in their professions but are protected in such a way that no one can challenge them. This man needs support and some assistance from a public protector of some sort.

  • Hey Shut up with your facts They will cost us billions of dollars ...Informed people are a threat ..

  • 2:25 To sue the board to protect his "RIOT". That's North Carolina for you. Had to listen twice to be sure he meant "Right"

  • Wasnt that just crap to empowered the unfortunate in knowledge so they can be hear

  • The governments of the US should be upholding the principles of freedom as outlined in the constitution….. the v truth is that our courts have long as abandoned justice and failed to hold anyone accountable for misdeeds, this emblazoning them to further acts of infamy. It is on this principle the peace and stability, it lack there of, rests in our kingdom!

  • Knowledge is free. People can learn by themselves. Anyone can be a eng. With or without any kind of documents.

  • Is this how.america works right now? Coz it stinks

  • I thought we are the greatest country in the history of the world.

  • Land of the free my ass. The US is a shithole country.

  • The truth will get you killed on planet earth since the beginning of man..

  • Its only going to get worse. We really need to clean house. Both parties need to go.

  • Honesty is the best policy unless you are against the system

  • usa is a company just like other shitty euro countries

  • Freedom died long ago , we just don't want to accept it .

  • Apparently knowledge isn't knowledge unless you have a certificate for it

  • The board of examination issued a warning because this dude was giving legal advice to people, but was using his expired engineer license as certificiation. The board simply asked for him to refrain from using his expired license in legal documents since it would be misleading clients to thinking he was currently certified. Look up the board's view point online.

  • The corrupt attempting to silence those that may topple their apple cart

  • Punishes math genius while they bomb a children's hospital in the middle east

  • Lol pu$$y a class b charge lololzz

  • Sue the shit out off those corrupt politicians/Nazis/commie/fascist cunts! Protect the first ammendment.

  • The USA is NOT the land of the free.

  • The Board has taken a page out of the Chinese Communist Party's book of operations.

  • Sometimes it is difficult to point out when the system is corrupted to the core all the way to Washington?

  • I quit working as an engineer due to people’s egos. You want ego, stubbornness, borderline psychopathic tendencies, try working with engineers who will insist they are correct even when their designs and math fail right in front of their faces. Nothing will ever get them to admit being wrong.

    • I work in a very liberal University. Ego hell.

  • Did stan marshes father do the voiceover work ?

  • Its so hard to not comment on the name Nutt

  • This is nuts. Push back; the time is now - before it's too late.

  • I wonder if UZfire would allow a fundraising video for the Canadian pastors that were exercising their freedom of religion and have been fined and jailed by their government for doing so. How about for Jack Phillips? Mark and Patricia McCloskey?

  • Sounds like Satire, sadly, no

  • Such a trajedy this guy died from suicide last week. *JUST A JOKE*

  • Yeah that is nonsense, clear violation of his rights. You don't have to be an expert of x to chime in on y especially when overlaps exist as a multidisciplinary field. It's an attempt to muzzle his input by saying that as a non P-engineer you have no standing to represent yourself as an engineer. That is a distraction because he is pointing to a flaw which is part of public safety and public concern... instead of talking about the merits of his findings they would rather muzzle him.

  • Engineer is an academic degree, not a title. PE (Professional Engineer) is often used to point out having a formal education and passed the required exams. You can work as an engineer without any license and be called engineer. Technicians are often entitled engineers. In court a judge with a common sense would dismiss the case as being unfounded. Insisting on charging him would be contempt of the court. Copernicus was an astronomer and mathematician. He knew his work would meet some opposition. His words seems as valid now as they were back then. He wrote: " Perhaps there will be babblers who, although completely ignorant of mathematics, nevertheless take it upon themselves to pass judgement on mathematical questions and, badly distorting some passages of Scripture to their purpose, will dare find fault with my undertaking and censure it. I disregard them even to the extent as despising their criticism as unfounded... Mathematics is for mathematicians." The government uses a Scripture - Only engineers understands mathematics...