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Under f1 rules the car on the inside has the right to stay there so I'd say it was down to max they are the rules and both drivers know that . So I would put it down to max .
There are no rules saying that a driver MUST hit the Apex of the corner, they do to get maximum exit speed. To me was that Max tried to clip the Apex from the outside while fully aware of the fact that Lewis was alongside him.
@Gas Gas Gas He wasn't Lewis got all the way along side, and lifted once he realised Max was still turning in
Disagree, Max compromised Lewis' line so much into Copse he didn't have much choice but to miss, make a late apex or back out. Max turns into the corner like normal disregarding that Lewis' can't suddenly disappear. Max expected Lewis' to back out. Live by the sword moment...
@john doe Give it time, son. Give it time.
Completely wrong. Hamilton was exactly on his line. Verstappen tried to pass and miscalculated. Watch the tape again: HE moved into Hamilton’s car, not the opposite. Verstappen has done this before, and not that long ago.
For those who wish to share this, here's the link: www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/f1/12112470/horner-on-max-stroll-crash This clip is just for Horner’s comments Not the fact it was FP2 Funny how Horner sees an incident differently when Max’s car is on the inside, and states Had that had happened in a race it would have been deemed to have been Max’s line, there’s no rule in the rule book to say you have to hit the apex, it all depends on what line you take, had you have watched Lewis all weekend he never hit that apex, Max knew he was there he turned to the right, corrected his wheel and then turned to the right again, the on board telemetry has now been released it’s worth a view ……..
You have lost a great deal of credibility with this video.
Douche! This is why you're on youtube and not racing. Max choose to turn in.........
2:50 This is incorrect. Hamilton knew that going around the outside wasn't going to work at Copse because he tried that in the sprint race and it didn't work - he even mentions that in an interview somewhere, so he went for the inside. His car didn't understeer, and Max was going even faster at that point round the outside (like ALbon last year), so Lewis wasn't going in too fast for it to oversteer - this is quite clear on both the in car and external video footage. Lewis only suffered understeer when Max hit his front wheel, so it was a result of the collision, not the speed. RBs tyres aren't fully up to temp in the early part of lap one, and this is clear by the fact Lewis can easily keep up with him in the first part of the lap (like he did in the sprint race) but not after (he falls back due to dirty air in the bends after Copse), and the same would have happened here as it did in the sprint race. Then Max's tyres would have been fully in their window and Lewis was unlikely to have caught back up. Lewis hadn't been hugging the apex and keeping off the kerb there all weekend and only took it a little wider on this occasion - probably to keep Max a bit wider. Either way, max turned sharply in to the right after making a correcting after seeing Lewis alongside him and they collided. Lewis could have given a bit more room, but Max certainly had more on the outside to give too, but instead chose to squeeze Lewis with the inevitable collision - Max had been squeezing Lewis since the start with some slight contact even before Copse, and that is in my opinion why the collision happened. The stewards used Lewis's distance from the apex as the primary cause, with no mention of understeer etc, so not even the stewards agree with this account of events. Sky's Karun Chandhok has a good in depth video analysis and so does Jolian Palmer: uzfire.info/camera/video/m6-UpWRimrKHgIc uzfire.info/camera/video/h6iSenlp2pmZqW4 Definitely more of a racing incident, and the penalty was harsh.
Seems the word "mistake" is being used a lot. While mistakes can happen in this sport, this wasn't one. A calculated maneuver made by one of the world's top drivers. Was it done on purpose? Of course. Was it done with malicious intent? Now that can be debated. These are top athletes at the top of their game. They are doing what it takes to win. Sportsmanship is the only thing in question here. And at the end of the day, thats out the window as well. Winning is what matters in sports, not feelings. Edit: Jast wanted to add, great video btw :)
100% hamiltons fault. and hamilton is not man enough to admit his mistake. he is stealing point and don't appologize. he wins the race but as a person the biggest loser!!!!!
From Leclercs onboard you can clearly see that Lewis did it on purpose and he should be DQ from the season.
I was biased because I hate max verstappen but I think you're right on this one. But still max is a buttmunch so I was glad to see him loose.
Verstappen should have gave more room simple he had run off yes it's a balsey move but if Hamilton doesn't go for tht move he's no longer a racer... yes lewis missed the apex but thts prob due bit understeer which is common place round Silverstone aggressive move yes penalty NO!!!JUST RACING INCEDENT NOTHING MORE....so I disagree....
So freaking right man! This was spot on!
The penalty should have been served separately from a pitstop
Totally disagree, replays showed Verstapen looked in his mirrors so he knew exactly where Hamilton was. He thought he could turn In and Hamilton would yield to avoid an accident again for thr 4th time this season, He was wrong and paid the price for his mistake. He was clearly driving for the apex and not leaving any room for the car along side, a 3D model of the accident has shown this.
I think if Verstappen would have stayed on the racing line down the straight where lewis and he were closest Max wouldn't have been able to take the racing line he was able to take. basically because he drifted to the outside of the corner he was able to cut the corner off. Lewis was 5 feet from the white line in my opinion he has the right to remain 5 feet from the white line around the corner and if Max enters the corner 5 feet from lewis then he has to maintain that distance. There is no I'm expecting Lewis to take this racing line. you said it's the inside driver's responsibility but I disagree it's the outsider driver, Max could have defended the inside line, yes lewis could have taken the outside line but Max would be allowed to drive his race as lewis is allowed to race his. also the point you said that these drivers are top class and should know that full fuel and cold tires they should be able to calculate. wouldn't that be the same for Verstappen lewis's car was never going to be able to hit the same apex Max's car was. so the question is did Max Verstappen turn into Lewis Hamilton? yes and Red Bull also said so. they said Halmilton would have hit Verstappen anyways or maybe Lewis wouldn't been able to avoid the accident, because he was going the fastest into that corner that any other time. the point is red bull is saying look it doesn't matter who's fault it is because Halmilton would have been at fault.
Uuummmm it's called Racing.....Formula 1 at that.... 1st Lap Crashing is Normal Any Series....I'm my feeble opinion both drivers made decisions at a critical point that had bad results for 1 team....but Hamilton served the Penalty and Came Back and Won In Dramatic Fashion from the driver who had Lead for 50 Laps....That's What We Watch Racing For....
Bro i already explained what happened.... Max turned into Lewis overtake so he wouldn't lose his huge Advantage. Lewis just took it like a champ. Now just Max stop acting dumb. You are at fault. Look at your car. Do you wang to try this again.
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7:57 as long as he gets the same penalty and not a harder one for basically the same outcome
TL;DR Hamilton ran wide of the apex - ergo his fault. Quite why it took you over 8 minutes of waffle to get to that baffles me.
which could have resulted in either, both or neither cars going off the track or losing body parts, this scenario has been played out several time and only ever favours the driver
I'll have to disagree, because it's 2 fold. Per the actual rule book. If a driver in the inside is alongside of another car then you have to give that driver room, which Max did not. He tried to squeeze Hamilton. Secondly through video/images Max tried to cut Lewis off. Ultimately it was Max aggressive driving that caused his demise. Not to mention there was several drivers that passed at that same corner without issue. CL tried to do the same as Max but couldn't hold the line and went wide, which cost him the lead. Lewis just held his ground, he yielded to many times to Max, playing it safe. Lewis just got tired of it and stood his ground. Lastly Max did the same thing in the sprint race and Lewis backed off.
From day one, it looked obvious to me that Hamilton drove unnecessarily wider than the normal inside racing line. And Verstapen was giving enough space, but needed to turn in a little, and maybe expected Hamilton to not hog all the space.
It's interesting how Jolyon Palmer, recent form F1 driver, using frame-by-frame analysis comes into a completely different conclusion. Who's opinion to trust?! A former F1 driver, or some guy looking to make a raise flogging hats? uzfire.info/camera/video/h6iSenlp2pmZqW4
I always loved how Lewis never gives up, but this was a little desperate and reckless, not that he'll care, but he lost a bunch of respect from me. You could argue that both drivers had some fault, but in the end, only one of them ended up in the wall and the other with all the points.
I agree with the analysis apart from one part - how hard Hamilton was really trying to stay on the apex. Hamilton has form for this. He would push Rosberg of the track with such regularity it was a meme. The fact he didn't do it with Button when they were side-by-side because there'd have been a public backlash in the UK shows he knows exactly what he's doing. He'll go in so fast on the inside that he's guaranteed to either come out in front or take the other driver out.
This is how you put your opinion out, holding someone accountable but not blaming them completely.
Look let’s not get so technical. Hamilton was too hot braking and under steered and took Max out.. That was a desperate move and he was rewarded and Max has a destroyed car and a trip to the hospital.NASCAR move.
Lewis got along side Max on the inside leading up to the corner turn in. Max gets off the brakes a bit earlier and leaps about 3/4 of a car length ahead then turns in. He knew Lewis was on the inside and he knew Lewis was carrying lots of speed but not so much that he’d never make it work. Max should have yielded the corner knowing two cars would never get through there together. Here’s a perfect example where Hamilton on the outside concedes the corner to Raikkonen on the inside and they both race on. uzfire.info/camera/video/bKbMpHRlqJZdl3s (20 seconds into the video)
I can understand why ppl think it is 100% ham at fault, and that he should have backed out, however, max, knew that being positioned around the outside at copse is a very vulnerable position to be in, yet he stuck with it, instead of backing out. This is why it is a 50-50 more than you might think, since they could both have averted crash had they backed out and conceded. Finally, what took max out, was his tyre coming off the rim, which is a really odd thing to see. Had the tyre stayed on, he would have probably had quite a bit more braking force.
Rumour says that Horner still saying 51g crash at home
If you can beat him take him out! Hamilton should be disqualified!
Verstappen “expected”.. That was the mistake right there. Expectation. When I am driving a 11.5tonne vehicle along the road.. if I ‘EXPECT’ a pedestrian not to walk out of the bank; just having sorted the student loan out.. who now is now very happy that they can get some clothes, and get smashed on the weekend; but first has to go to the main library and sort out those two assignments.. and is listening to music on the tell tale white earpods.. Who has just walked straight out of the bank, straight across the pavement, and has one foot transitioning from paving stone to tarmac.. who has NOT looked in my Direction.. ..then in their perception of the world, I do not exist; but in reality I DO!! Common sense expectation now has that person lying cold on a morgue slab. But in reality, my experience planning, pre-emptive driving skills and reactions; allows that person to live and see another day. (Also I should reasonably be able to expect an apology acknowledgement, or a bit of humble gratitude for accommodating and avoiding THEIR mistake.. but in reality for the TWELVE PLUS times I have saved people from their own stupidity.. I get a defensive snarl and self stupidity denying look like... WHAT ARE YOU DOING... ON A ROAD... IN A VEHICLE... I AM WALKING HERE! A motorcyclist should be able to ‘expect’ that other vehicle users will look at two different points up the road before they pull out.. thereby eliminating the blind spot in the human eyeball... yet 1000’s of motorcyclists are pulled out in front of; and then become tarmac gymnasts or morgue slab statues. Expectation Reality ...you see... Not always the same thing. If Verstappen ‘Expected’ Hamilton not to be where he WAS, because he could not see.. then it was Verstappens OWN fault.. They are rivals too lets not forget. If Hamilton was 1 or 2 feet from the apex deliberately.. I remember a F1 Legend stating that he would put a rival in a position whether or not to have a collision; and leave them with the choice... You have deliberately left the clip out.. But I did not see Hamilton hit Verstappens car.. I SAW Verstappens car hit Hamiltons... and his car came off worse.. so.. bad choice Verstappen. I have no idea why you would defend Verstappens driving.. which is clearly and evidently LESS than Lewis Hamiltons, and at fault. But.. everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
@A C Coping!
Racing incident. 50/50. They both could have driven differently.
In any type of racing! It's the responsibility of the following car to give up the line!!!! Should have pulled Hamilton's points and podium! I firmly believe that they should let these teams race aggressively but this was rookie mistake by a world champion.
It's always the car in front in the corner who has the advantage there was room for lewis
The only comment I would make on this video is that Hamilton's apex was NEVER the "natural line" over the entire weekend. He avoided the curb from FP1 to the final lap, so why would you think that he was aiming or wanting to get on the curb? As a racer yourself, you know that some drivers have their own line because it suits their style or car requirements, especially when battling with a rival.
People suggesting that somehow Max has been crashed off the track on purpose, how does that happen? The result of a touch like this could see many different scenarios which could have resulted in either, both or neither cars going off the track or losing body parts, this scenario has been played out several time and only ever favours the driver leading the championship, never the chasing driver, were it the last race of the season with Hamilton needing to finish in front of Max then perhaps, but there's no way Hamilton could have afforded to risk ramming Max, there's no contact that will guarantee one car staying on and the other going off.
No mistake by Hamilton. Can't believe this analysis. There is no obligation to hit the apex. Even after contact Lewis made the corner. The trouble here is you assuming Lewis should have used a certain line.
Since when does any driver expect his competitors to be on a 'perfect line'. Its racing for F sake. Next you'll be advocating for bumpers around the cars or those little curb finders of the cars of the '50. In reality, it was a racing incident. RB is making a mountain out a mole hill. Ridicules. And I don't want to play the race card but, had it not been Hamilton would all this rhetoric be flying around. I think not. Let's face it, it's a white mans sport.
Total BS, mate. Clearly Hamilton's car did not go towards the outside of the curve before the collision. The car that produced the collision was definitely Verstappen's. His back wheel came both from behind and from left to right towards Lewis's car. Being the inside drivers does not mean you have to get out of the way of an exterior car bumping into you.
Your taking the physiology of Verstapen out of the equation, he’s a very aggressive driver be it attack or defence. He had the choice of lift and lose the place or turn in and crash! I’m sick of comments claiming he should have done this or that, but if you want to see F1 progress into a future then you can’t take racing incidents like this too seriously! No one will overtake and the sport will die! It’s already on it’s last legs!
Well sir I watch the race also noticed that Hamilton went into the corner the same way just about every lap I think it was just a racing incident they’re both racecar drivers and they’re going to be aggressive if you’re not going to be aggressive you don’t need to be there
Lewis's front axle was beyond the middle of Max's car. Is that not substantially alongside? Check the FIA regulations.
Racing incident .. there was a gap .. it’s called racing.
As a new F1 fan I don't pretend to know the overtake rules. My take is that Lewis should not have tried the inside considering the understeer he had two corners previous. However, it was Max who made the biggest, most costly error. The agressiveness of both drivers validates how important the clean air at the front is. And, Leclerc leading 50 laps was fantastic. I pray that Max does not have any lingering health issues from the high G impact. Right now he has the better car and is driving it supurbly.
BTW, as a new fan, why is there still a GP in Morocco? So boring.
I disagree with your analysis...its too subjective.
Lewis dive bombed Max like you see in iracing.
no, when you dive bomb somebody, you both end up DNF. Max crashed because his tyre ripped off the rim. It was wheel to wheel contact.
Almost 4k dislikes lmao
Just a racing incident
Lewis Hamilton - one of the most humble, sympathetic, self-reflecting, loved, fair, intelligent and racist racing drivers of all time.
I fully agree with your analysis of the accident, and it probably aligns pretty well with how the race stewards looked at it. However, I think the stewards were soft on Lewis: The level of risk/personal jeopardy is extreme in high speed corners like Copse. This accident could have killed someone and obviously it trashed the RedBull. (Over $1M in damage) A 10 second stop/go in the pits with no ability for Mercedes to service Hamilton's car would have been more appropriate given the level of jeopardy and the fact that Lewis came in so hot he had absolutely no hope of hitting the apex.
I'm sorry but just no. To say that Verstappen turned to put the car imagining Hamilton to be on the apex is in itself disproved by the view from Verstappens on board. He started to turn, Hamilton pulls alonhgside, Verstappen backs out from the turn and straightens, and then he chops right over to the right. The trajectory that his car would have gone would have been exactly on the apex - *he would have been exactly where Hamilton would have been had Hamilton hit the apex.* In other words, there would still have been an accident - Verstappen would have hit Hamilton. In other words, he'd doing the same as he's always done - either barges the other driver off, or sends out the message "either you back off, or there's going to be a big accident" This has been coming for years with the way Verstappn drives. Both at fault, therefore racing incident.
I wonder would all the far left snow ❄️ protect and defend Hamilton if he wasent.british no
I think Max may give Hamilton some accidental payback sometime later this season since you only get 10 second penalty for ending a title contenders race.
This entire episode is typical F1 drama and hypocrisy. If there is a wreck in F1 why must there be “who is at fault? Driving the most advance racing cars at insane speeds with 2 peacocks wanting to impose there will upon each other and someone gets wrecked. Overtaking has almost been entirely eliminated by aerodynamic engineering making most of there concern after down force is to disrupt the air behind the car. Max had the pass. Louis did not lift and dump him. No damage to Louis car. He received a 10 second penalty. Simple. B.S. call. Otherwise remove all aero and put the racing back into the drivers hands. Let the spectators see who the best driver is not who has the most money, cleverest engineers and who is in favor of the marshals. This is a sport not a game. You take the danger out of wrecking an opponent this will only encourage this type of ignorant move. Insanity definition is doing the same thing continuously and expecting a different result.
All the crying lol Jesus. Hamilton is Senna and Schumacher class. Max is still nobby.
My personal opinion is that it was close to race incident but maybe Lewis should have realized what was going to happen. I guess it was a bit of payback too. Anyway Lewis got his penalty and now Verstappen will know that Lewis is not always be the nice guy.
It's good to hear it from a driver. I thought Hamilton was to brave to this turn. After the replay I said, Max was in front of Hamilton enough to have the corner. I think it's totally Hamilton's mistake. Let's be honest, the penalty wasn't correct enough because of the WC and danger. We saw the impact and the damage. I'm glad the car just slided and not flew in the air.
They showed you Maxes steering wheel movements seconds before impact why not Hamiltons ??
well said !
No, Lewis isn't to blame. Max is a psychopath, and I hope it rang his bell, and taught him a lesson. I'm tired of bullying being misconstrued as talent.
brutal race in history f1
A driver with tons of experience knows very well what will happen taking that line. With bias commentator in the sideline.
This is Bullshite . Its always a fight and Hamilton Won .
this is the proper penalty, then WHAT IN THE F*CK should the penalty have been when Verstappen intentionally punted Leclerc off the track in 2019??!?!? Perhaps he should
Can someone tell me just one occasion that Max has been in a tight situation and lifted? No response to Lewis’s comments about persistent over aggression? Would it be safe if all driver were aggressive as Max? There is a little context here that needs to be explained.
You are so wrong .... Check the FIA rules on overtaking.
i agree 100%
I mean did you mention from max point of view? he move his wheel twice over and seemed to be trying to push Lewis off the right side.. Lewis was alongside and was eventually behind but he was close enough.. It's racing and a racing incident.. I cannot fault either but both could have done different
Tribal fans are the worst
The penalty is a joke
One key ingredient: Some have mentioned the amount of space that each driver may or may not have had. But after watching the replay's several times I noticed that Max (being the great driver that he is) kept Lewis pinned down until the very last moment. And when he did swing wide to have a better entry into the corner, he did it at the very last moment so that Lewis wouldn't have much of a chance as well, that late into the corner. It was so late that by the time Max himself had drifted out, he immediately started turning for the corner. That is when he had to readjust his steering input. Lewis had even less time to improve his arc, but he tried. It really was remarkable, I can only imagine what kind of reflexes & eye sight that would take to pull such a maneuver off. Now as we witnessed, Lewis didn't quite pull it off completely, but he's not fully to blame. By the time Lewis drifted out he also immediately start turning for the corner and missed the apex by the amount we've seen. Max basically set that all up though (referring to that particular corner). If he would've raced fair and gave Lewis enough room within enough time, I'm almost certain that Lewis would've raced him fair. But that's not what happened. Max assumed that Lewis was going to continually back out of it. Lolol...Senna was Hamilton's favorite so he knows the game and has seen the video (probably)... IJS And in closing, any other driver on the grid would've played that a little differently.
Absolutely spot on that was, perfect analysis right there.
Why no replays kind of boring without
Yeah I think I'll take the opinion of driverF1 Jolyon Palmer not driver61 thank you very much, racing incident!
Lewis Hamilton Max Verstappen Silverstone Grand Prix 2021- Final Draft The Framework of the sport has been breached and it steps into a criminal act and as such, given it's gravity, attempted murder charge's should be leveled against lewis. The evidence show's Lewis intentionally , for a moment, imperceptible to the untrained eye turned his wheel into Max's rear right in a classic pincer move to kick him to the curb, and blame it on understeer , and so it was. At the precise moment Max calculated & cleared the challenge, and the challenger obligated to give way, Lewis broke his line for a split second & bumped his wheel. The result was instant with serious damage to the engine meaning penalty points to Red bull if they put in a new engine. Lewis is experienced enough to navigate Copse corner AND commit the crime without being noticed or so he thought. Given all his racial gripes and street fighter stance which he openly admits to and the false notion that Redbull added extra power to their engine ,probable cause set in mentally and took a grip on him over the weeks which resulted in Lewis's subconscious mind ,calculating the move with precision to commit Murder in a pivotal race that would lead up to him entering the History books should he take the championship. Consequently, in his quest for the 'Best in History' title, the opposite happened & the dubious honour now bestowed on the only black driver to get this far, is, worst F1 driver in history. All this at a time when England lose the Euro Cup to Italy after a 55yr absence of the tournament on home soil. Britain was desperate for any sort of victory and a champion to celebrate. Lewis being well aware of this heeded the call silently to give the fans what they wanted at ANY cost, leaving it to his brain to craft his wicked deed and leaving Max in Hospital to watch him unceremoniously wave the British flag overdosing on the poisonous applause on home soil. Lewis will be remembered for all the wrong reasons on the wrong side of history. Helmut Marko bringing in legal advisor's , was quick thinking and a wise move, as he sensed the act of criminality firmly entrenched in Lewis. Christian Horner and Dr Helmut Marko are the people to watch as this saga unfolds. Toto Wolf is mesmerized by a looming championship victory for Mercedes Benz, the Nuovo Riche of Formula 1. His opinion cannot be counted for much with his clouded vision and his ability to lobby the steward's at Silverstone, brushing off Horner's initial concerns immediately after the accident. The sport is constantly evolving and as such, criminal intent CANNOT be ruled out as the driver's fight for the championship title and more so an historic championship looming for Constructor and driver. The Steward's ruled instantly with a 10 second penalty as is procedure and albeit the mildest penalty under such catastrophic events, it is further warranted and rightly so at the behest of Dr Helmut Marko that legal advisor's probe into the accident. It's my firm hope that the FIA ,F1 and Redbull legal team come to the same conclusion I have and press charges. Attempted Murder is a bold claim , but when analysing the footage, history , personality clashes, psyche and competitive edge of Lewis Hamilton measured against Max Verstappen, it is plausible and cannot be ruled out and should have it's merits tested in a criminal court. Having said that , this event sets a precedent for the framework of the sport having been breached by a person who stands on the precipice of Greatest of all time and willing to kill for it. The FIA , F1, industry experts and legal system needs to be stretched to it's limits to ascertain the truth to remind Future Great athletes that there are boundaries in attaining Great achievements. Lewis is firmly at fault, that is my assessment of the matter. Quinton Padayachee ©
leclrec gave the right amount of space max didn't ham should have Calc the tires. both drivers could have done more so racing incident...simple
When you squeeze someone on the inside you know they will not hit the apex so have to give them room for a wider apex. Simple rule that all good drivers know. Lewis thought max would know this but max did not and max made contact with Hamilton by giving no space for the wider apex. So yes it was Max fault 100%. Also the switchback would of been the best situation for max but his arrogance got the better of him. He will learn from this that is for sure.
Lewis should have been given a stop-and-go penalty.
it is clear that all the dislikes are fro mercedes fans
Are you on crack dude? I guess the fact that Max lacked ALL spatial awareness and cut across Hamilton is of no significance here. SMH And Max was far further away from the apex than Hamilton and braked later so if Hamilton wasn't making the apex, CERTAINLY Max wasn't making it either. YES Hamilton carried speed into the corner, but YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER it was in accordance with max's speed into the same corner at the same time, AND the fact Lewis IS the latest broker in all of F1, and Max continued to brake well after he needed to and THEN cut in on Hamilton whom he'd seen was 80% alongside and STILL tried to put the squeeze on Hamilton and as such, it is Verstappen's fault as he purposely CROWDED the attacking driver. Since it seems you and so many here are oblivious to the actual rule… 20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion'. 20.5 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, ARE NOT PERMITTED. Max was clearly at fault according to these rules and the penalty was a joke in the sense that the offending driver crashed out, so let's penalize the guy who luckily was able to continue? If this is the proper penalty, then WHAT IN THE F*CK should the penalty have been when Verstappen intentionally punted Leclerc off the track in 2019??!?!? Perhaps he should be banned from racing altogether since after all, his move on Leclerc was purposeful & pre-meditated. What a bunch of misinformed hypocrites! After this I will NEVER watch anything you post! What a joke this is.
Totally Agreed, Yeah I think I'll take the opinion of driverF1 Jolyon Palmer not driver61 thank you very much, racing incident!
I call this 80% Lewis 20% Max
Sorry mate. but I gave you a thumbs down on this one. Not because I disagree with your conclusions but that your visual evidence, the photos on the screen we are seeing, are irrelevant to the point you're making. If the visual shots we are given are supposed to substantiate and be the evidence of the validity of your arguments, you missed an opportunity to make your case. And it didn't happen. Better luck next time.
I can’t stand Hamilton, but I’ve watched it so many times and chalk it up to race incident. Lewis’ front axle was already passed the midway point of Max’s chassis so Lewis was significantly along side him, he could make the turn successfully on his current line (and did), while having to give max enough space to complete his line. Watching it Max turned in on his line and did not maintain it. According to FIA rules, there should have been no penalty.
Ok Lewis is aggro 1 time and Max turns into him, thats what i saw but who cares
Mercedes contends that FIA rules for overtaking in a corner require only two elements - that the overtaking car be substantially alongside and that the car be able to complete the corner. They further contend that Hamilton's front wheels were ahead of the midpoint of Verstappen's car which satisfies the alongside requirement, and Hamilton not only could complete the corner, but did complete the corner, even after contact. There is no requirement to clip the apex. They further contend that having met those requirements, no penalty should have been assessed. Just pointing out their case.
Better for Max to walk away with 2nd place than no place at all. Sometimes you have to be weary of over eager moves like the one Lewis pulled, but verstappen has a history of over defending lines so I wasn't at all surprised at seeing them make contact. Lol Was inevitable, likely more drama to come as well.
Seems like a very one sided point of view
finally someone which isnt biased like Sky Presenters, who speaks sense.
@Mali Dan if he had the car that hamo had for years I'm sure he would have been champ already but fair play to the lad he's got hamo worried
@Gary Wait They have been healing praise on Verstapen all season calling him a great driver when he has won nothing. As former drivers themselves they respect Hamilton's driving ability and dedication and they all know Verstapen tried to take the p... one time too many.
@Mali Dan bit more like half sky team fans of ham the others not so in to him ......
@JustSoManyBulls I love Brundle but you’re right about him kissing Lewis’ ass all the time. I think he’s probably asked to do that though, for the sake of most British F1 fans’ egos.
@Mali Dan please tell me that’s a joke? Please tell me you’re not that silly? The Sky guys are extremely Hamilton biased, especially that annoying tw*t Brundle. They love Lewis. They kiss his ass all the time and they kiss it even more now due to this stupid BS Hamilton commissions inclusion crap
Great video definitely agree 👍only thing you forgot to mention was Lewis had a lot more speed with getting maxes slip then he definitely didn't take all the variables of what was going to happen making a narrow entry at high speed . For a 7 time champ bit of a amateur and desperate maneuver
Positioned absolutely perfectly turn 3/4, didn’t max go off the track outside of turn 3 to keep the position?
In my opinion it was Lewis fault because i think he was too confident that he would overtake max and he didn't brake on time
Either one could have backed off, neither did. They are racing drivers and with that comes inherent risk. Max got the worst of it this time. But we all have a for real title fight to watch and it should be grand, despite the whining noises coming from the red-bull garages.
I think that the only thing Max failed to realize was that he had the f*****g Lewis Hamilton on the inside, who threw himself with all the championships on. If Max would have let him pass, maybe, he would have had better traction to scissor him.