How Dream's Success Has Become His Own Detriment

Joylandi 20-Mar, 2021
How Dream's Success Has Become His Own Detriment
"Come on, we gotta keep the light burning… Come on and Dream baby Dream…"
Dream is one of the most successful creators of the 2020s so far. Amassing nearly 20M subscribers and receiving more than 10M views on every single Minecraft Manhunt video to date. Dream has exploded into stardom and has become a modern celebrity - surpassing the title of "Internet Celebrity" - amongst the likes of James Charles and PewDiePie.
While Dream's unfathomably large success sounds like a Utopian Dream, there are also many downsides to it that I intend to cover throughout this video.
Not only has Dream been called out for the most petty reasons - such as making an edgy joke or having "Bad Music" - but he has also indulged himself in commonly disliked ideologies such as stan culture.
From Cheating in a Minecraft Speedrun all the way to owning a low efficiency Merchandise Company - Dream has experienced it all.
Today I intend to document Dream's fantastic rise to fame, and how that has unfortunately been warped into something akin to a Nightmare, as opposed to a Dream…
Music Used (In order of appearance):
C418 - Chirp
Zack Nelson - Strange Things
Odd Chap - Polaroid
Bobby Cole - Trance Music for Racing Game
Joel Cummins - The Joint is Jumpin
Slynk - Road Trip
RKVC - Burlesque Heartache
Nico Staf - Brooklyn and the Bridge
Cheel - Kurt
josh pan - Calvin Harris
C418 - Living Mice
Anno Domini Beats - God Fury
Drawn To Life Soundtrack - Wilfire's Wasteland
Myuu - Final Boss
Anno Domini Beats - Dark Tranquility
Darren Curtis - Lurking Evil
DJ Freedem - Cutting It Close
Naps The Block - Tall (End Disc Concept)
C418 - Equinox
AfterInfinity - Try Again (Choir)
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Time Codes:
Introduction - 0:00
“I Had a Dream” - 3:43
Controversy - 8:43
Speedrunning - 13:23
Merchandise - 25:16
Stan Culture (+ My personal experience) - 27:48
Where do we go from here? - 42:19
Other Resources:
MFB-’s thread:
Karl Jobst’s video:
Dream’s Response video [Archive]:
Dream’s video on Stans:
~ Written, Directed, Edited and Voiced by CordWit
~ Title Themes Produced by Odd Chap and AfterInfinity
~ Several Screenshots Kindly Provided by Michae1
~ Additional Research Conducted by John Swan
~ Moral Support Conducted by Tipster
Additional thanks to Tipster, Nicholas DeOrio, WillyMacShow, Tommy C, The Right Opinion, Jadyn and Optimus for their support during the John Swan (& subsequent Death Threats) controversy.


  • Right I think it's important to clarify: In the controversy segment I cover several different issues that have actually been resolved in private. The reason I included them was not because I agree with what the opposition was saying, I was rather bringing them up as examples of conflicts he gets into Hope you lot understand that!

    • You should get a job in editing for people, your style beautiful

    • Sir you cannot use some weird word to get not hated this is cool tho

    • You got a link on the "Dream says something dodgy to Tommyinnit" video? i couldn't find it anywhere

    • Thank you for being an individual who researches and makes logical conclusions.

    • good

  • I like CordWit because he actually has drawings and is shown putting effort in. Other channels that do basically the same thing as him (such as topics and recent cancellations) do it with 0 effort and just read a Wikipedia article. This guy actually puts effort in.

  • Yeah... I realized that Dreams fans or “stans” or what-not were on the wrong track when they invented their own sexuality and tried to add a letter to the LGBTQ+ acronym. They even went as far as to make their own flag for “Dream-sexuals”...😅

  • Dream scripts manhunt videos and they all swear that they don’t, and ofc the cheating bs

  • This is Internet Historian level of production value

  • it still boggles me how people in their late teens and early 20s have become e-celebrities and are collaborating on what is basically reality tv but for kids

  • the only problem with this video, is that the people who actually need to watch it won't only the people who are already mentally sane will watch it

  • i feel like dream didnt cheat. Yes, he might have done something to the minecraft world or at least coded it so it would be easier, but that doesnt state that he's a cheater. I have watched dream for a while now, and i feel like (from how he acts in different videos), he wouldnt do that by the expressions and surprised reactions from his friends, lets say, from nowhere starting killing dream. Dream has told 1000 times before that he started doing manhunts because he liked do them, not to beat the world record. i dont know, think what you want this is how i personally think. have a good day :]

    • "Yes, he might have done something to the minecraft world or at least coded it so it would be easier" That's literally cheating

    • If he altered the world or coded it to be easier it is by definition cheating

  • I really don't agree that dream has to condemn anything his fans do

  • It's always sad when I find out a (seemingly) nice UZfirer exists just after it becomes the subject of controversy. EDIT: ...actually, I take that back. It's a relief the warnings come first.


  • Nice video! Maybe if your gonna use music make it not too loud compared to your voice (so people don’t have to turn up volume to hear you and need hearing aids after the start of each section)

  • This is why I don’t really like dream and I never liked him in general, but this for me anyway puts a much more horrible point to my thoughts about him, but then again he may not be a bad person but he is being pressured by his fans but my opinion stands firm.

  • There's a reason there's not supposed to be underage streamers

  • this video was so well made

  • This is probably a coincidence, but his topic transitions remind me of Invincible. The way he says part of the word then it displays.

  • Here you'll need this to protect yourself from the Dream stans: 🛡

  • Dream: Suffering From Success

  • Sup ni

  • you were recieved death threats for making a tweet about dream wh-

  • I honestly didn't care about Dream and haven't really heard of him all that much before the cheating controversy where I looked slightly more in-depth at his content and who he is. In my conclusion, he is certainly a skilled player but I feel like his content isn't diverse or interesting enough to warrant his following. I know UZfirers who put way more effort into their video than Dream does yet receive a fraction of his success. That's what really annoys me about him. He's an absolute jerk at times and gets way more attention than he deserves.

  • Well. Dream is very irresponsible about how his image is shown to his fanbase, not addressing his position about things that could get controversial, things he managed to get into but then avoids. So saying that his succes is his detriment is kind of covering why people is trully going after him (obviously they creoss the line too). The most professional and clear example is the speedrun case, where people that really contributed were focused on the facts and letting people know about the case; but beacuse it's Dream, well... it became popular. Dream did not answer the questions that he just kept making, like his tweets towards the moderator team or the video response (I'm sort of aware about the topic so I could tell at the time that the videoa and the paper were extremely suspicious). So yeah... Don't stan Dream or cancel him. Internet is just the way it is and sometimes they are the core of the issue. This time is not.

  • Only a few min in and this editing is pretty sick

  • I know him, whos that voice at 1:36

  • I feel bad for Dream because he got stuck with the worst fan base ever

  • I'm just disappointed that so called "fans" are sexualizing Tommy. He's one year older than me. It's disgusting.

  • Speaks for you that I watched the whole video despite the facts that this is the first video I watched from you and I don't even care about minecraft and Dream. Well done

  • We have Dream fans We have Dream stans Where are the Dream enjoyers?

  • Whoah did i just hear pegasus' voice?

  • Someone needs to do something about dream it’s just gonna get more and more dangerous

  • I feel like you spent a solid 20-30m rambling about Dream's toxic fanbase, but then kept mentioning how its not his fault, but is his fault but isnt but is ect ect. It would of been nice if this video was a little better summarized to your main points, both in support of Dream and agaisnt him imo.

  • His weird Stans aren’t even a minority

  • Hey, anyone know the game at 27:21?

  • why you disrespect dream my hero 💔💔💔💔😡😡😡😈😈😈😈😈😈 damn you!!!1111

  • idk man, i just saw Dream's first manhunt video and I was like, wowie, he's really good at the game, but who knew it would turn out into a bunch of this.

  • i feel like dream only gets into conflicts because the image he's made for himself on his channel is different from his actual self and sense of humor, so when people see the edgy side of him they see it as him trying to offend people

  • that laugh as you said dream crew was fucking amazing

  • I think that the "who cares about a Minecraft speedrun" part was a bit obtuse. 1) Dream's success was build in large part due to the fact that he was one of the best speedrunners in Minecraft, holding the WR multiple times. The fact that he cheated on some of them (regardless whether he was gunning for WR or not) shows his disposition to use unfair tactics in order to receive the upper hand in a competition (which is frowned upon in the UZfire community as well as the speedrunning community. 2) Speedrunning now is a legitimate source of income for the top runners, people are flocking to their streams to see how they perform. Dream is already uber successful, he has no need to be in the top of the scoreboard to get viewers, unlike the speedrunners, by giving himself an unfair advantage and performing better than he would usually puts more attention to him, reducing the viewership of other streamers, poteno hurting their wallet. 3) His behaviour towards the mod team shows that he is ready to silence anyone who opposes him. He did this multiple times on Twitter, for example when he essentially sent his stan hoard to harass Its_Jawsh, the guy who vented on his own twitter account about his issue regarding the stan culture, saying that it was detrimental to every participant, degeading their mental health and sending them into a downward spiral. Dream responded to his venting by just saying something like "you're an idiot". Either extremely irresponsible, or a deliberate move to suppress the critics. Keep in mind that most of these arguements heavily reply on the assumption that dream did cheat in his speedruns, which I tend to believe because his response to the whole situation didn't convince me of his innocence, and somehow managed to worsen his image in my eyes.

    • @Regen Palkar Thanks!

    • @Turb0Jew all the best

    • @Regen Palkar something like that, thankfully I had a year to prepare and I am pretty good with literary analysis, 31st of May here I fucking come

    • @Turb0Jew lol so u were a coder, but now are giving an exam in a different field?

    • @Regen Palkar unironically this. For some reason to get a degree in game design I have to study literature and take our country's exams. So instead of prioritizing code I now write walls of text

  • excellent editing

  • u didnt put the music from 4:26 im lookin for it

    • it's stal from Minecraft bruh

  • I have stop watching dream cause it was nothing i care about. Oh he did or didnt cheat. Oh well it's Minecraft.

  • Wow! Absolutely fantastic video. I knew basically nothing about Dream but before watching this but you summed up his history really well. Visuals are incredible btw! Love a documentary with such high quality polish.

  • wow so incredible

  • Come on guys im around the age of these stans, I assume most being preteens, and I am not this obsessive, also Dream isnt too bad, he prepared for the dive, dove too deep and started drowning in popularity

  • Why tf is the dream fanbase so toxic? Like what's the point of wasting hours of your life trying to support someone, who isn't really going to do anything. Have you just never been wanted or smt, so you go all out to try to be something to someone you probably will never meet irl, and fucking give death threats to someone who says they don't like them? Literally if your that obsessed with someone, to the point where you want someone else to die, you shouldn't be allowed on the internet. Like mature up. The internet is a fucked up place. And it's all e-girls too. Doesn't make any sense.

    • Idols exist because people want to be like them or they are similar to them. When someone attacks an idol they also feel personally attacked. Need I say more?

  • I would watch minecraft manhunt, but i like having ears and they scream wayyyyyy to much for me to continue having ears.

    • @spicyriceman I know because, I’ve found it

    • @spicyriceman There’s definitely a happy medium where the screaming isn’t painful and the talking is hearable

    • @SaltyMia then ur not gonna hear their actual voices

    • Volume button who...?

  • Dream is trash

  • the little big planet music at the beginning hit hard

  • I don't condone the behaviour of some of his fans, but I'm afraid that Dream is the kind of person who is willing to cheat his way into the record books. If he isn't fond of how obsessive his fanbase has become, he shouldn't have been so obsessed with pretending that he's more important than he really is.

  • I like how the video started but over time it just felt like you tried to gather points that make this guy look bad.

    • @Muffin Man Exactly!

    • Why would anyone envy to be dream? There’s pretty much no reason to want to be dream, unless you want to be egotistical, a cheater, and have fan base that makes p*rn of you

    • stop

    • All he's doing is looking over controversies that dream has been in, he was 0% biased. And why would he just try to make him look bad?

    • Seriously? Never did I noticed he was jealous of dream lol. Don't be a toxic stan

  • It seems like luck isn't a thing. Chance isn't a thing. Everything that happens was meant to happen. If you think about it, it's basically 1 out of infinite chance that you are who you are. Lmao

  • You're so underrated bro, I love the animations and the cinematic music lol

  • what a well made video - can’t believe you’re not at 100k yet

  • Oh hey Little Big Planet music

  • Honestly I think he started to grow when mr.beast started to talk about him in his videos and telling people to go subscribe that’s when I saw him start to grow

  • Good video mate, it’s not often that I watch a 45 minute video. your editing and story telling is insane!! Keep it up

  • You missed sooo much dude

  • Guess success became his Worst nightmare

  • Amazing video, got a sub

  • what game is played at 27.22

  • Who ever says that dreams song is bad I’m sorry but I hate you

  • "Dream's dream became a nightmare"

  • hi

  • Youre so smart

  • With the whole segment where you said dream essentially encouraged the gore art, you did somewhat contradict yourself. You said "you cant find this type of stuff unless you seek it out" or something along those lines. So why would dream want to search up gore of himself? He probably doesnt know it exists. Also im not going "uwu dont buwwy my smol bean dweam" i completely understand where you come from, however, that was just something that really bugged me.

    • @Daniel Weeks i normally dont watch much commentary, atleast not as much as i used to

    • @Daniel Weeks there has? idk i havent watched them, dont get mad at me


    • He’s knows about it because there have been countless commentary videos made about it

  • This video is honestly so well put together. I usually can’t sit through long UZfire videos, but I watched this the whole way through.

  • Kinda reminds me of Kurt Cobain's story a bit, grew too big too fast and couldn't really handle it. Dream's heading down the same path imo

  • Dream failed middle school English?

  • honestly these stans have to stop. i kinda feel bad for dream.

  • Gowon at 28:14~~ very insightful video btw👍

  • The main issue is obsession. The people who legit made prn of tommy are disgusting. They act like they're their property or something

  • I'm afraid of his Stans...

  • The stans treat them like property. Disgusting.

  • The dream stans to send death threats are the same people to be offended at nothing (like when people said Ksi punching Wilbur was homophobic) and to be offended by things that have nothing to do with that group. Change my mind.

  • At this point, Dream CANNOT share his face for HIS OWN SAFETY AND SECURITY. The shit people write, say, and worship about this guy and the possibility of them knowing his face genuinely terrifies me even though I don't like Dream's character and how he deals with his fame. Feels very egotistical to me.

  • some Dream stans are pretty much too extreme, but i do find that the fact that the Dream SMP fandom exists helps them. the SMP fandom is highkey much more calm, filled with theories and angst and less drama, while Dream's fanbase is much more intense. i really don't think his fanbase is the best, but the SMP fandom is balancing it.

  • I read the title as “How Dreams Success Has Become His Own Retirement” and I was just thinking, “When did he retire?!?”

  • Technically PopularMMOS is the most popular Minecraft youtuber of all time.

    • well yeah he is but i wish he was...

  • I think one of the main issues is that Dream isnt really mature enough to handle the controversies that come with his fame

  • this is such a good video and so are the rest. im subscribed

  • 𝑯𝒐𝒑𝒆 𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚𝒐𝒏𝒆 𝒊𝒔 𝒉𝒂𝒗𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒂𝒏 𝒂𝒎𝒂𝒛𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒅𝒂𝒚♥️ 𝑴𝒚 𝒅𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒎 𝒊𝒔 𝒕𝒐 𝒉𝒊𝒕 10𝑲 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝑰 𝒌𝒏𝒐𝒘 𝒚'𝒂𝒍𝒍 𝒄𝒂𝒏 𝒉𝒆𝒍𝒑 𝒎𝒆 𝒂𝒄𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒑𝒍𝒊𝒔𝒉 𝒎𝒚 𝒅𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒎♥️🙏.

    • This isn’t the place to be self promoting

    • @Ikari stylez self promoting is very ineffective, try focusing mostly on beating the algorithm

    • @Ikari stylez if you’re not a bot it’s even worse, I really hope you don’t succeed

    • @waka pekk 𝑯𝒐𝒑𝒆 𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚𝒐𝒏𝒆 𝒊𝒔 𝒉𝒂𝒗𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒂𝒏 𝒂𝒎𝒂𝒛𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒅𝒂𝒚♥️ 𝑴𝒚 𝒅𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒎 𝒊𝒔 𝒕𝒐 𝒉𝒊𝒕 10𝑲 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝑰 𝒌𝒏𝒐𝒘 𝒚'𝒂𝒍𝒍 𝒄𝒂𝒏 𝒉𝒆𝒍𝒑 𝒎𝒆 𝒂𝒄𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒑𝒍𝒊𝒔𝒉 𝒎𝒚 𝒅𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒎♥️🙏. and no im not a bot

    • Dont promote

  • After seeing his reply to Jawsh, the extremely small amount of respect I had for dream diminished

  • You deserve 100k

  • I don't think Dream is as great as he shows. In his videos, he is obviously scripting to make him look good. And the boat clutch was completely fake. The crafting menu was 17 frames instead of the usual 6.

    • @Cookie the server lag gave dream the advantage, he didn't cheat

    • @Cookie what about server lag?

    • @oof mcoof yeah. I downloaded the clip and in both situations, unlimited fps and capped to what I can only assume is 144hz of dreams monitor, it is 6 frames when recorded at 60 fps. There aren't any programs that I am aware of don't even allow you to record at over 60 fps.

    • really?

  • poor Dream

  • Me: *Looks at dream’s UZfire video comments for stans Me: Can’t find any Me: *Checks Twitter Me: Ah I found them!... Now burn them :D

  • He didn't post for a month and this is the last vid, hmmm, I think I'm up to something

  • ᴵ'ᵐ ˢᵘᵇᵇᶦⁿᵍ ᵗᵒ ᵉᵛᵉʳʸᵒⁿᵉ ʷʰᵒ ˡᶦᵏᵉˢ ᵃⁿᵈ ˢᵘᵇˢᶜʳᶦᵇᵉ

  • the fact that people have so much time to spend creating thesis type analysis over a Minecraft speedrun is insane, great video though nicely debunked topic

  • dream stan on xbox (racist and sounds like 6) - DREAM IS THE BEST PLAYER U F***ING IDIOT everyone else- no he isn't he's decent not the best stan- SHUT UP U BLACK F***ING N**GA Proceeds to say 4 block jumps are impossible and ofc hes American I like how 90% of Americans on xbox are racist

    • hilarious 😐

  • I believe that dream has not only changed many peoples lives and has potential hurt himself and them, but I also believe that he has been detrimental to the thing that gave him his success, Minecraft. The memories I have and most people probably have of Minecraft is building huge house and mining out caves and crafting new tools and thing like that, or on the media side watching other youtubers do crazy things like mod reviews or just a plain old survival world. But from mainly the rise of dream that form of Minecraft is slowly disappearing. While I’m still a teenager, many of my friends no longer play Minecraft for the fun aspect but almost more the competitive aspect, the closest thing I can compare it to is Fortnite. Fortnite started off as a fun game where you could sit down with your friends and play some games and not want to rip out your afterwards, but mainly because of streamers and new things be implicated, it quickly changed and you cannot say the same for it anymore. While it has not fully changed, it is hard to say it is still the game it was a few years ago. The new focus in Minecraft is PvP instead of the creativity you can have, Minecraft is a game that grew because of how open it was, but is slowly becoming a game that needs to be played with a code.

  • Codwit = icecreamsandwitch

  • Holy fuck...tge animation in this vid is freaking amazing af

  • Jack

  • Oh now i get a new channel i can hated on

  • one of the biggest reasons i don't watch him is because of his fans. the streamys were so annoying to watch because it was constantly being spammed with dream fans. i understand supporting him but he already won his award and they were STILL spamming. it's hella annoying

  • This was so deep into all the information given and covered everything that could possibly be covered, and answer anyone’s questions. Good job

  • Ngl the Dream fanbase is one of the reasons why i just dont watch Dream. Plus he never really got my i just never watched any of his vids.

  • Tbh as a dream stan/just fan of the new gen of mcyts on the platform, if Dream ever does a face reveal and he (probably like 99% so) doesn’t look as ‘hot’ as he is in fanart his fans are going to fuckin leave and just lie and be like “ur so....pretty....” LMAO Most stans need to learn how to have healthy parasocial relationships, as much as I love watching Dream and his friends have fun, I understand that I don’t know them personally! Plenty of stans need to learn Dream isn’t ur ‘bestie’, he’s a Minecraft youtuber making money off of the platform for crying out loud.

  • As a fan of Dream, I can’t say that all of his fans are toxic. We sure are annoying, but everyone on my Twitter timeline seems to be really nice and caring. It’s really embarrassing to see toxicity and gross fanart going around, but keep in mind that’s just a small part of his fan base. There’s so much more I want to say, being a fan of Dream is so stressful.